|Randy Shankle & the Church in Marshall|
I am done discussing and sharing about Randy Shankle and the Church in Marshall at this time. I am even lessening my content as Randy is a low level threat, and not much of a danger to the church any more. I am keeping things to a bare minimum now.
Randy has spoken of a meeting between him and Kenneth Hagin, where Randy claims he told Hagin that he needs to raise spiritual sons, as his own son was not following Hagin's vision, but Hagin did nothing about this. Many years later, someone told me that Hagin wrote a book about Randy Shankle and the apostolic movement. I do not know how true this is, but the book does seem to dismantle many of Randy's stances. The book does not name Randy or the Church in Marshall, but does seem to hint or take a direction towards correcting Randy at times. The book is fairly good, but I disagree with Hagin on a few points. I do not remember all these details, therefore I cannot list them here, but I do recommend the book for all Randy Shankle observers. It is called: He Gave Gifts Unto Men - A Biblical Perspective of Apostles, Prophets, and Pastors. I learned of this book away from any of my ties to the Church in Marshall on my own, and seems to confirm some kind of tension or meeting that may have occurred between the two of them.
Randy has also confessed that the accusations here on the internet are true. (I believe this occurred Sept 24, 06.) Because, he and the ministry have not repented as they should, even though he confessed to the accusations, (another example on Oct 8, 06 Jeff said, "be wronged, eat it, and shut up" and went on to say if they were wrong it was God ordained.) This clearly shows they are still wrong and do not have the fruit of repentance. I am also told they no longer even provide the tapes for the services of these dates!
Math 3:8: Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance
Therefore while they may indeed have confessed their sins and errors, they have not changed anything, have not brought forth fruits of repentance.
Also Randy has claimed, without naming this author, that Watchman Nee is a favorite of his. I cannot remember the quote, but he said something that he believed everything that Nee wrote. Without actually naming Nee, of which I discovered later, privately.
Did you know Watchman Nee corrects one of Randy's pet teachings?
Randy teaches (or used to) that the born again christian is without sin. He teaches that it is the soul that sins, but the believer is now sin free in his spirit and Randy calls this the divine nature.
This Divine Nature teaching has caused a ruckus by many, thinking Randy teaches that humans become gods. That is not what he teaches at all, but that sin nature leaves and God Himself dwells in the human spirit. The Divine Nature is God Himself.
Before I made articles and blog entries on Randy Shankle, the articles and websites about Randy contained discussions on this topic. Many of those webpages still exist but are not as prominent on search engines any more.
Nee will not doubt, and neither do I, that believers are indeed the temple of God, but we still have sin in our person. Nee proves this point by using one of Randy's own teachings against this.
Randy has another teaching called "The Fruit of it's Kind". Nee describes this very teaching and say's if 2 born again christians got married and had a baby, that if they truly were without sin, their baby would be born sinless. It would be a fruit of its kind. This of coarse does not happen. Because, the parents are not without sin.
Those of you familiar with the Randy camp should know mankind is born into sin, even within christian marriages, thus Randy should realize through his own teaching he has an error here (or did). Experience itself should teach us this.
Watchman Nee proves this further with scripture:
6: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
The word "destroyed" gives the wrong impression, it actually means "unemployed" according to Nee, in Greek.
For a 2nd witness there is this:
The New Testament Greek Lexicon
1) to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative
a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency
b) to deprive of force, influence, power
2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish
a) to cease, to pass away, be done away
b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one
c) to terminate all intercourse with one
The work of the cross, unemploys sin. It is still there, it has been made without working power. But it is still there for you to choose, and choose daily if you so desire. I suggest reading the rest of Rom 6.
Nee died in like 1967 or so, long before Randy ever came to ministry, Nee through his teachings, shows the error that Randy took up in this area. But besides that, I believe Randy's Merismos teaching is very good, Watchman Nee teaches similar things. And so do I like here:
The Salvation of the Soul
So, I do believe Randy's book "The Merismos" is pretty good, and recommend it. As long as you remember the errors in it that I share here. However, I do believe everyone should boycott Randy's product's, therefore if you wish to obtain this book, get it from a secondary source, used, like from Ebay or a used book store.
I have found some links from other websites, that deal with abusive elders. I decided to make a Part 2 to Eldership Rule that discusses in more detail in what elders can rule over and what they cannot, and also share a bit about these 2 great sites. You can find this here:
Eldership Rule Part 2
I left in the early 90's, Randy began seeking out an older man of God who would look over his ministry, for accountability. One by one, these men would correct Randy and he would let them go, denying himself correction. The last one was Clarence Hill, who I think called for a meeting on April 23, 2005, but am unsure of such details. Nonetheless he was there. After a short time giving Randy time to repent, and getting no such reaction from Randy, Clarence Hill sent out some public letters.
Here are the letters:
Since you have taken upon yourself to remove me as your spiritual father, after the Melchisedec order, I cannot accept the tithe. It was not my doing in Hartford, Ak when our Father decided to hear the cry of your heart and sent me to be in your life to take away your reproach of not having anyone over you to reflect the Father. Jesus never sent me to take His place in your life, but to bring a part which was missing/lacking. You were trying to have authority over other men without being under authority yourself. Now, you are back to where our Father desired to mature you, before Hartford!
You and the elders of Marshall made a covenant upon that mountain in 1998. It would have been better for you not to have made a covenant than to make it and not keep it (Eccl 5:2-6). I have forgiven you before this letter, but I pray that God be not angry at your voice, and forgive you! My love for you all have not ceased. Humble...(the copy of the letter is cut off and cannot be seen here)...and walk softly!
Your brother in Christ
June 30, 2005
As you know from the first time I came to fellowship with you in Marshall, TX, being with you from 1998 until 2005 at various seasons. My manner among you was a reflection of the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, serving the Lord with all humility of mind, character and in love respecting no man's person. And how I kept back nothing that was profitable, but have showed you what a model of a father in the faith should demonstrate. I have reflected a mature father publicly and in private meetings of the Elders. Testifying to the arrogant, proud and unyielding, repentance toward God and forgiving one another their trespasses with faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. (Matt. 6:14:15; 5:23-24; Mark 11:25-26; Matt. 18:15-17)
A Restoration, Reconciliation, and Fellowship meeting was scheduled in Oklahoma City, April 23, 2005. The purpose of this meeting was to end the years of rebellion and unforgiveness existing between the brethren of the Apostolic Company. I went with other sons bound in spirit, and being warned of the things that would befall me, that is, Randy Shankle would give a pretense of repentance and arrogantly take over the meeting; without regard to an apostolic father's administration. Yet, none of the warnings moved me from God's purpose to give Randy Shankle one final chance to change! The goal was to speak for our Father and reflect the grace of Jesus Christ. As it was told me, Randy would give an arrogant display of control and non-submission to my apostolic authority, thus, bringing very little real fruit of restoration (their words were true). The words from our Father were clear and concise as delivered by me with written documentation given to all present. I did not shun declaring unto all, the counsel God gave me to deliver.
I attended the May 2005 meeting in Marshall, TX to see what would be the final fruit of the Oklahoma meeting. There was a clear demonstration of dishonor to a father in the faith and his wife, but the grace of God was with us! During the elders meetings Randy Shankle declared his independence from the oversight God placed in his life. Today, he is without oversight and accountability as he was back in 1998 before the Spirit of God spoke in the camp of Hartford, Ark.
Wherefore, brethren, I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all. For I know this, my ministry and example among you were not in vain, and some of you were touched. Also, I know after my departing grievous wolves were already active in leadership there, not sparing the flock, and speaking perverse things to draw away disciples after them. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as ministers of righteousness whose end shall be according to their works. God, by my mouth tried to snatch Randy out of the fire (i.e. demonic psychology, mind control, despises dominion, jealousy, independance...etc.). Regretfully, some of you see this and do nothing! I have coveted no man's pulpit, silver, or gold, or apparel or congregation. My hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to sons who are with me.
Now I beseech you brethren, Mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Rom. 16:17-18. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits...Matt.7:15-23. Bro Randy Shankle prophesied from Hartford, Arkansas to Marshall and Houston, TX; California to Detroit, Mississippi, Ohio, Canada, and South Africa that God placed Clarence Hill, Sr to have oversight in his life. However, in the May 2005 meeting, he said to the elders, it was sin on his part to place me in his life! Brethren, was it God or Randy Shankle? Wherefore, by their fruit ye shall know them. And now, Brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to open you eyes to truth.
A copy of my letter to Randy is attached. I have nothing to hide. Any questions may be directed to me at (xxx) xxx-xxxx. We love you all!
Bro. Clarence R. Hill, Sr
Apostolic father of the Faith
cc: selected elders
I wish to say that Clarence Hill nor anyone else has any part of this website or ministry, nor I of them. I obtained his permission to post these letters, not because he is in agreement with my ministry but because he is open about Randy and has nothing to hide.
Randy began a new format in the church what he called, "Family Forums". In such meetings, Randy would publicly drag church members in front of the church and expose what he claimed to be their sins, errors, and weaknesses. Often times, he would do such to men, who refused to submit to Randy's will, as Randy began to desire to rule people's household's.
One of the things I recorded, was a Family Forum. There have been many meetings Randy has had where he had asked the tape recorder to be turned off. I have been in such meetings myself. In this one service, the camera was not turned off, and it was broadcasted live. I recorded it.
I have decided to make the “Family Forum” service in its entirety available for download. I believe 30 minutes is missing, 20 minutes of no broadcast in the beginning, possibly 5 minutes missed by me at the beginning, and up to 5 minutes at the end where I cut off the announcements.
This is a MP3 file that lasts 2 hours and 41 minutes long. The file is 46 megabytes in size. You can download the file at:
Sometime during 2012, the host of all my audio clips for my blog, turned off or stopped allowing audio, they now appear to do only video hosting. I am not in any rush to republish/rehost the audio sound bites, as my ministry in this area is no longer at such a level.
So while my blog is still up, you will probably not find any clips on it. Also my blog will have links to my old website which is no longer operational. And I haven't relinked to this newer website from the blog on many of its pages, for the same reason stated above.
Can Randy be accused publicly:
Consequence vs. Condemnation:
But despite this, Randy Shankle once taught Biblical and prophetic teachings. Much of my website came from the Church in Marshall. God did indeed call me to the Church in Marshall to go to school there; it was my sin to stay, it was their sin to seduce me with the Kisser/Cleaver teachings.
Links of Interest:
The Baptism into the Cloud
The Salvation of the Soul
Church Government Part 2 - Eldership Rule: Concerning the Shepherding Movement
Eldership Rule Part 2: A balanced Biblical View - with links to other websites that help with abusive authority
Family Forum MP3 download