Are You a Son of Thunder?



Mk:3:17: And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder 

Jesus called James and John sons of thunder. Why is that?

Luke 9:
51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he steadfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,  
52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.  
53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.  
54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, will you that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did?  
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, All of you know not what manner of spirit all of you are of.  
56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
 

James and John were eager to destroy men's lives, but Jesus came to save them. We also know that God has told us in the last days there would be rampant violence in the earth:

Math 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Gen:6:13: And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.  

The earth is filled with violence and division, another sign of the end times, is the world will have wars and rumors of wars.

Math 24:
3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
6: And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars...
7: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom...
9: Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10: And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.


The above scriptures show the violence in the earth and in the church. You would think that if Jesus warned us of such things the people of God would err on the safe side instead on the divisive side. I am not denying the need or call for church discipline. Jesus also said:

Math10:34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35: For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36: And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.


But He also said this:

Math18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Now if you know me, you may know that I am a tilter:

Jer 48:12 Therefore behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I shall send to [Moab] tilters who shall tilt him up and shall empty his vessels and break his bottles (earthenware) in pieces.  

But this work, is not against men's wills. I cannot and do not go around destroying peoples theologies and force them to believe what I believe. It's a "whosoever will" and "he that hath an ear". There is a balance.  

Many Christians today are encouraging war, and particular the war in Afghanistan or Iraq, that we went to after 9/11. Now I am all for justice, while I do have doubts about the perpetrators, I am not against the punishment of those who did so. The problem is how we brought justice. As I discuss in part here: 

 Unrighteous Judgment  

and here:

 Should we pick up the sword?  

Correction has a method. As we see in Math 18 for the correction of the believer in the church. We cannot go to war without proper evidence.

Now either we have evidence or we do not. And if we do have evidence, then we need to bring that evidence forward properly before we execute judgment. In Math 18 the last step is to mark the believer as heathen, who has refused to repent. In the case of 9/11, the last result is war. By skipping the procedures of judgment we risk the wrath of God.

Math 7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

By rushing to use the sword, the sword will come back on us:

Math 26:
52: Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Living by the sword is the curse of Esau, which represents our flesh and thus Jacob represents our spirit:

Gen 27:40 And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.

As on the page I noted above here:

 Should we pick up the sword? 

...it is not God's best for us, because we are trusting in our defense and not God's. It is of the wrong spirit, as Jesus told James and John.

If you have been all riled up, and have jumped the gun to bring judgment upon those that did 9/11, you risk having our nation destroyed, in your seeking to preserve it.  

Luke 17:33: Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Pr 16:32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.
 

In my discipleship schooling I have seen how some men of God actually believed in acting out in anger and seeking God's forgiveness later. I heard it said, kill those who appear guilty, and if they are innocent God will raise them up. As I shared in that page above, this is not God's best. And it is a horrible example to others whom we seek to influence; our children or those under us in the Lord; and the worst thing is, doing such may actually destroy the thing you are seeking to preserve.

In the Old Testament, God gives many commands and rules for the Israelites to follow and some of these were in judging matters and people. God said that they couldn't judge someone without multiple witnesses. Bringing forth evidence before bringing forth the sentence of judgment is God's way. How perverse is it to do the reverse? Can we excuse the war in Afghanistan by bringing forth evidence afterwards? We cannot. Any evidence you think you may have, is dismissed, because it was not brought forth properly. Many dismiss the evidences by those who share conspiracy ideas, right? And that is because those evidences have not been brought forth correctly. Therefore all evidence must be dismissed unless it is brought forth rightly.

While I go on about the war in Afghanistan, this is only a fruit of the problem I am trying to discuss here. Having the wrong spirit. Being a son of thunder. This particular fruit may be the final matter which destroys America however. We reap what we sow. God is not mocked. While it may be too late for America, it is not too late for us individually. I discuss this here:

 Prepare for the Yoke  

God hates divorce. God hates violence. We need to avoid such things and be peace makers.

Math 5:9: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
 
 

Links of interest:

 Babylon's Authority is Ordained to Come  

 Scripture & Conspiracy  

 Are the Governments Corrupted?  

 Should we pick up the sword?  

 Unrighteous Judgment  



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